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		<title>Comment on What other topics would you like to see ? by Forrest Dauterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forrest Dauterman</dc:creator>
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		<description>You made some excellent points here.  I did a search on this and most people agree with what your saying.  Will you be updating this blog in the future?  I bookmarked you and will check back later.  Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made some excellent points here.  I did a search on this and most people agree with what your saying.  Will you be updating this blog in the future?  I bookmarked you and will check back later.  Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Epistemology Versus Propaganda by Ressources du Costa Rica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ressources du Costa Rica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched Letters to God and I thought it was a great, inspirational film. What I liked about the movie was that it didn&#039;t really focus on finding faith, but more about the strains hardship adds to maintaining it. I feel that many people are able to relate to through that approach, as each of us have come across a difficult part in our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched Letters to God and I thought it was a great, inspirational film. What I liked about the movie was that it didn&#8217;t really focus on finding faith, but more about the strains hardship adds to maintaining it. I feel that many people are able to relate to through that approach, as each of us have come across a difficult part in our lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What goes in to the Epistemology of Atheism ? by Jeanelle Lawlor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanelle Lawlor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many threads here seem to try and disprove other people&#039;s faith.  I have no problem with the idea of faith - there are a few things that I take on faith that I have never seen myself with my own two eyes - such as the brain in the person next to me, and the theory of the atom etc. I have looked at the evidence and made a decision that it is probably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many threads here seem to try and disprove other people&#8217;s faith.  I have no problem with the idea of faith &#8211; there are a few things that I take on faith that I have never seen myself with my own two eyes &#8211; such as the brain in the person next to me, and the theory of the atom etc. I have looked at the evidence and made a decision that it is probably true.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What goes in to the Epistemology of Atheism ? by Valentin Kreisler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valentin Kreisler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty insightful post. Never thought that it was this simple after all. I had spent a good deal of my time looking for someone to explain this subject clearly and you’re the only one that ever did that. Kudos to you! Keep it up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty insightful post. Never thought that it was this simple after all. I had spent a good deal of my time looking for someone to explain this subject clearly and you’re the only one that ever did that. Kudos to you! Keep it up</p>
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		<title>Comment on The so-called Intelligent Designers &#8211; at it, again! by generic levitra</title>
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		<dc:creator>generic levitra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! You often write very interesting articles. You improved my mood.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The so-called Intelligent Designers &#8211; at it, again! by Bill Bartmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog rocks! I gotta say, that I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#039;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks,

A definite great read.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/~bill-bartmann&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;:)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.jfrog.org/confluence/display/~bill-bartmann&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;-Bill-Bartmann&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog rocks! I gotta say, that I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#8217;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks,</p>
<p>A definite great read.. <a href="http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/~bill-bartmann" rel="nofollow"> <img src='http://www.assertiveatheistmoments.com/WordPressBlog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </a></p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.jfrog.org/confluence/display/~bill-bartmann" rel="nofollow">-Bill-Bartmann</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Symbols and Symbolic Form by CrisBetewsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrisBetewsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that after surfing the web for uch a long time I have found out this information. I&#039;m really lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that after surfing the web for uch a long time I have found out this information. I&#8217;m really lucky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Symbols and Symbolic Form by Bob Allen</title>
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		<description>Above translation of comment from Braipsspali is &quot;Draste, admin!
Very good post. Read news, then I say that is very creative and cognitive choose topics useful information. Thank you!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above translation of comment from Braipsspali is &#8220;Draste, admin!<br />
Very good post. Read news, then I say that is very creative and cognitive choose topics useful information. Thank you!&#8221;</p>
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		<description>Драсте,админ!!! 
Очень понравилась пост. Почитал новости, то скажу, что креативите очень познавательно и выбираете полезные топики информации. Большое Спасибо!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Драсте,админ!!!<br />
Очень понравилась пост. Почитал новости, то скажу, что креативите очень познавательно и выбираете полезные топики информации. Большое Спасибо!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Symbols and Symbolic Form by Bob Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi KattyBlackyard,

I recently posted this on a members on Freedom From Religion Foundation forum site:

As I continue with the introduction of this subject of Symbols and Symbolic Form vis-à-vis Evolution, let me introduce some further foundation elements from Clifford Geertz (see The Interpretation of Cultures, 1973, ISBN 0-456-09719-7 [paper]) and Ernst Cassirer (see Language and Myth, 1946, Std Book # 486-20051-5 and Symbol, Myth, and Culture, 1979, ISBN 0-300-02666-8 [paper]).

Within Cassirer’s marvelous “little book” (99 pages) of Language and Myth, he pursues in summary form, a discussion of key issues, that also serve as the chapter headings – The Place of Language and Myth in the Pattern of Human Culture; The Evolution of Religious Ideas; Language and Conception; Word Magic; The Successive Phase of Religious Thought; and the Power of Metaphor.

Although Clifford Geertz tends to minimize the accomplishments of Cassirer throughout his book cited above, Geertz does go into detail (as a cultural anthropologist) about the significance of the three-fold increase of the skull size of Homo sapiens sapiens over the past 3 million years of species adaptive differentiation due primarily to the use of tools and Symbols and Symbolic Form.

For both Cassirer and Geertz key elements are that Homo sapiens sapiens are not only a social animal, but also an animal that externalizes (and subsequently teaches internalization of) culture from generation to generation through Symbols and Symbolic Form.  Thus, Symbols serve both a conservative normative function of Cultural preservation through time – and through genetic mutation that effect both language and conception over time, stimulate new thoughts through the creative powers of word magic and metaphor.  Therefore, quite literally, the three-fold increase in the size of brain-mass over these past 3 million years brings forward an increase in the abstracting abilities and expressions within the species.  As genetics change over time, Symbols and Symbolic Form become more abstract over time.

A rather simplistic example of the significance of these phenomena would be that of the concept of the Space-Time continuum from the days of Ptolemy to our present day.  In the days of Ptolemy, due to observation and “divine revelation”, Earth-centricity became the excepted norm in explaining the motions of “heavenly bodies” throughout the universe – a learned Symbolic tradition lasting better than 17 centuries throughout the academic community within the Western tradition.  As observation of the “heavenly bodies” became more acute throughout these 17 centuries of observation, the Symbolic concept of Epicycles found addition to Earth-centrism to reconcile observation with the Symbolic Theory of Earth-centrism.

Even when Galileo introduces a new tool, the telescope, to enhance observation, the normative functions of the Symbolic Theory of Earth-centrism remain in force throughout Western academia for some time.  However, over time, the use of tools (the telescope) and Copernicus’ Symbolic Theory of Helio-centrism change the Symbolic representation of how one views the motion of “heavenly bodies” within our little nook of the Universe.  Newton contributes further Symbolic representation to the Copernican Symbolic system in an “explanation” of Gravity through the famous Symbolic Mathematical formula of the inverse square law – that works kinda, sorta – but mysteriously works at a distance.  The Newtonian Symbolic Theory lasts but just a few centuries through Western academia.

It took Einstein’s Mathematically Symbolic representation of Gravity being a local (rather than distant) phenomenon to bring us up to date with the Space-Time continuum.  This also leads to an expanded Symbolic representation of the size of the Universe from the days of Copernicus (largely limited to our solar system), through the time of Newton (where the Milky Way is viewed as the Universe) to our present time of Einstein (where the Big Bang of 13,700 Million years ago) is the current understanding throughout Western academia. 

Returning to our topic at hand – Symbols and Symbolic Form vis-à-vis Evolution – and how this relates to differences between Atheism and the various Theisms of every shape and kind (from Christian, to Islam, to Buddhist, to Taoism, to Zen, to National Socialism, to Stalinist Communism, to Native American Spiritualism, etc. [ad nausea]) – one becomes aware that Symbols and Symbolic Form permeates everything.  And most importantly – provides the key in differentiation between Propaganda and Epistemology – the study of how one knows what one knows.  In short – in the contest between Atheism and Theism – what is Epistemology for one is Propaganda for the other – and vice versa.  But this – Epistemology for one being Propaganda for the other – is another topic for another day.

Bob Allen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi KattyBlackyard,</p>
<p>I recently posted this on a members on Freedom From Religion Foundation forum site:</p>
<p>As I continue with the introduction of this subject of Symbols and Symbolic Form vis-à-vis Evolution, let me introduce some further foundation elements from Clifford Geertz (see The Interpretation of Cultures, 1973, ISBN 0-456-09719-7 [paper]) and Ernst Cassirer (see Language and Myth, 1946, Std Book # 486-20051-5 and Symbol, Myth, and Culture, 1979, ISBN 0-300-02666-8 [paper]).</p>
<p>Within Cassirer’s marvelous “little book” (99 pages) of Language and Myth, he pursues in summary form, a discussion of key issues, that also serve as the chapter headings – The Place of Language and Myth in the Pattern of Human Culture; The Evolution of Religious Ideas; Language and Conception; Word Magic; The Successive Phase of Religious Thought; and the Power of Metaphor.</p>
<p>Although Clifford Geertz tends to minimize the accomplishments of Cassirer throughout his book cited above, Geertz does go into detail (as a cultural anthropologist) about the significance of the three-fold increase of the skull size of Homo sapiens sapiens over the past 3 million years of species adaptive differentiation due primarily to the use of tools and Symbols and Symbolic Form.</p>
<p>For both Cassirer and Geertz key elements are that Homo sapiens sapiens are not only a social animal, but also an animal that externalizes (and subsequently teaches internalization of) culture from generation to generation through Symbols and Symbolic Form.  Thus, Symbols serve both a conservative normative function of Cultural preservation through time – and through genetic mutation that effect both language and conception over time, stimulate new thoughts through the creative powers of word magic and metaphor.  Therefore, quite literally, the three-fold increase in the size of brain-mass over these past 3 million years brings forward an increase in the abstracting abilities and expressions within the species.  As genetics change over time, Symbols and Symbolic Form become more abstract over time.</p>
<p>A rather simplistic example of the significance of these phenomena would be that of the concept of the Space-Time continuum from the days of Ptolemy to our present day.  In the days of Ptolemy, due to observation and “divine revelation”, Earth-centricity became the excepted norm in explaining the motions of “heavenly bodies” throughout the universe – a learned Symbolic tradition lasting better than 17 centuries throughout the academic community within the Western tradition.  As observation of the “heavenly bodies” became more acute throughout these 17 centuries of observation, the Symbolic concept of Epicycles found addition to Earth-centrism to reconcile observation with the Symbolic Theory of Earth-centrism.</p>
<p>Even when Galileo introduces a new tool, the telescope, to enhance observation, the normative functions of the Symbolic Theory of Earth-centrism remain in force throughout Western academia for some time.  However, over time, the use of tools (the telescope) and Copernicus’ Symbolic Theory of Helio-centrism change the Symbolic representation of how one views the motion of “heavenly bodies” within our little nook of the Universe.  Newton contributes further Symbolic representation to the Copernican Symbolic system in an “explanation” of Gravity through the famous Symbolic Mathematical formula of the inverse square law – that works kinda, sorta – but mysteriously works at a distance.  The Newtonian Symbolic Theory lasts but just a few centuries through Western academia.</p>
<p>It took Einstein’s Mathematically Symbolic representation of Gravity being a local (rather than distant) phenomenon to bring us up to date with the Space-Time continuum.  This also leads to an expanded Symbolic representation of the size of the Universe from the days of Copernicus (largely limited to our solar system), through the time of Newton (where the Milky Way is viewed as the Universe) to our present time of Einstein (where the Big Bang of 13,700 Million years ago) is the current understanding throughout Western academia. </p>
<p>Returning to our topic at hand – Symbols and Symbolic Form vis-à-vis Evolution – and how this relates to differences between Atheism and the various Theisms of every shape and kind (from Christian, to Islam, to Buddhist, to Taoism, to Zen, to National Socialism, to Stalinist Communism, to Native American Spiritualism, etc. [ad nausea]) – one becomes aware that Symbols and Symbolic Form permeates everything.  And most importantly – provides the key in differentiation between Propaganda and Epistemology – the study of how one knows what one knows.  In short – in the contest between Atheism and Theism – what is Epistemology for one is Propaganda for the other – and vice versa.  But this – Epistemology for one being Propaganda for the other – is another topic for another day.</p>
<p>Bob Allen</p>
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